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	<title>Comments on: Excellent Analytics Tip #13: Measure Macro AND Micro Conversions.</title>
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		<title>By: WebProBusiness &#187; Measure Your Mini-Conversions</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2008/03/excellent-analytics-tip-13-measure-macro-and-micro-conversions.html#comment-458195</link>
		<dc:creator>WebProBusiness &#187; Measure Your Mini-Conversions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you don’t read the Occam’s Razor blog by Avinash Kaushik, you don’t know what you’re missing. He had another great post last week, to help people identify how to measure more than Web sales as the conversion on their Web sites. He calls them micro conversions, to contrast with the macro conversion that a Web sale represents. I think he has a number of great points in the post, but I want to contrast his thinking with my own, in case my perspective feels a bit more comfortable to you. Whichever way you want to work, we both agree that you should focus on lots more than Web sales to judge your Web site’s value. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you don’t read the Occam’s Razor blog by Avinash Kaushik, you don’t know what you’re missing. He had another great post last week, to help people identify how to measure more than Web sales as the conversion on their Web sites. He calls them micro conversions, to contrast with the macro conversion that a Web sale represents. I think he has a number of great points in the post, but I want to contrast his thinking with my own, in case my perspective feels a bit more comfortable to you. Whichever way you want to work, we both agree that you should focus on lots more than Web sales to judge your Web site’s value. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Persuasive e-Marketing&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Three ideas for Google Analytics Goals</title>
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		<dc:creator>Persuasive e-Marketing&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Three ideas for Google Analytics Goals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A micro conversion point is a non shopping cart transaction.  Examples include newsletter signup, catalog request or wish list signup.  Better understanding of how many visitors choose these micro-conversions will give a better understanding of what a visitor really wants from your site.  Also if any of these micro-conversion points has multiple steps, you can build a goal funnel and look at step abandonment, just like for your shopping cart. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A micro conversion point is a non shopping cart transaction.  Examples include newsletter signup, catalog request or wish list signup.  Better understanding of how many visitors choose these micro-conversions will give a better understanding of what a visitor really wants from your site.  Also if any of these micro-conversion points has multiple steps, you can build a goal funnel and look at step abandonment, just like for your shopping cart. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: michael choe</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael choe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we track 'micro' conversions as well...

goal 1 = view product
goal 2 = add to cart
goal 3 = confirm
goal 4 = register account

often, 'micro' conversions are necessary for a/b or multivariate testing since your ultimate goal may not have enough successes to adequately evaluate or interpret test results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we track &#8216;micro&#8217; conversions as well&#8230;</p>
<p>goal 1 = view product<br />
goal 2 = add to cart<br />
goal 3 = confirm<br />
goal 4 = register account</p>
<p>often, &#8216;micro&#8217; conversions are necessary for a/b or multivariate testing since your ultimate goal may not have enough successes to adequately evaluate or interpret test results.</p>
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		<title>By: suhel</title>
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		<dc:creator>suhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never thought about micro metrics but now onward i will put emphasis on micro metrics, thanks Avinash, such great posting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never thought about micro metrics but now onward i will put emphasis on micro metrics, thanks Avinash, such great posting</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Myers&#124;CRUCES: :Internet marketing focusing on search engine marketing, social network marketing and mobile marketing.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Myers&#124;CRUCES: :Internet marketing focusing on search engine marketing, social network marketing and mobile marketing.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Collaboration is dependent upon the business model. Yesterday I read a great post by Avinash Kaushik about breaking out conversions on a macro (acquisition) and micro (accessing other elements of the site) level. (This also reinforces the concept of the atomization of the internet but we aren’t going to focus on that now.) I think the only thing that Avinash missed was talking about all of a business’s contact/interaction (corporate social graph) points throughout the Internet and not just the company’s site. His point is that if we track users in a more global manner, instead of just at the point of conversion, we will have a better understanding of their online persona’s and what we can do to increase the likelihood of acquisitions in the future. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Collaboration is dependent upon the business model. Yesterday I read a great post by Avinash Kaushik about breaking out conversions on a macro (acquisition) and micro (accessing other elements of the site) level. (This also reinforces the concept of the atomization of the internet but we aren’t going to focus on that now.) I think the only thing that Avinash missed was talking about all of a business’s contact/interaction (corporate social graph) points throughout the Internet and not just the company’s site. His point is that if we track users in a more global manner, instead of just at the point of conversion, we will have a better understanding of their online persona’s and what we can do to increase the likelihood of acquisitions in the future. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avinash,

this is one of the questions I've asked myself a couple of times before - I think I understand your point about conversion rates..your opinion seems to be that "yeah (macro) conversion rate is the metric I want to increase eventually - but we have to measure and improve other things to get there (overall site experience".

Or well that's what I had been thinking until I read this post hehe ;).

"A quick note: Your micro conversions don’t have to lead up to the macro conversion (though in this case they kind of do)"

---&#62; What's the point of micro conversions not leading up to the macro conversion? Why would you care for micro conversions if they do NOT lead up to the macro conversion?

- I can only imagine this if you're making a site for fun (not working for somebody's e-commerce site)

- or if they micro conversion helps get people to buy offline

but what would be the point of a micro conversion (say posting photos/registering) if they did not lead up to a higher macro conversion rate in the end? 

This one got me puzzled (because I'm sure you have a point, but I guess I'm missing it!)...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avinash,</p>
<p>this is one of the questions I&#8217;ve asked myself a couple of times before - I think I understand your point about conversion rates..your opinion seems to be that &#8220;yeah (macro) conversion rate is the metric I want to increase eventually - but we have to measure and improve other things to get there (overall site experience&#8221;.</p>
<p>Or well that&#8217;s what I had been thinking until I read this post hehe ;).</p>
<p>&#8220;A quick note: Your micro conversions don’t have to lead up to the macro conversion (though in this case they kind of do)&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&gt; What&#8217;s the point of micro conversions not leading up to the macro conversion? Why would you care for micro conversions if they do NOT lead up to the macro conversion?</p>
<p>- I can only imagine this if you&#8217;re making a site for fun (not working for somebody&#8217;s e-commerce site)</p>
<p>- or if they micro conversion helps get people to buy offline</p>
<p>but what would be the point of a micro conversion (say posting photos/registering) if they did not lead up to a higher macro conversion rate in the end? </p>
<p>This one got me puzzled (because I&#8217;m sure you have a point, but I guess I&#8217;m missing it!)&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is something I've been thinking a lot about recently. Even outside of the conversion funnel, there are multiple smaller goals that all have value. In addition, even conversions aren't all created equal: we need to start considering how much people spend per sale, if the product mix matches our goals, if conversions represent one-time or repeat customers, and on and on. I've started referring to these types of outcome measurements as Conversion+ metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about recently. Even outside of the conversion funnel, there are multiple smaller goals that all have value. In addition, even conversions aren&#8217;t all created equal: we need to start considering how much people spend per sale, if the product mix matches our goals, if conversions represent one-time or repeat customers, and on and on. I&#8217;ve started referring to these types of outcome measurements as Conversion+ metrics.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Analytics Bloglinks der Woche (KW 13 / 2008) &#124; Web Analytics &#38; SEO - News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Analytics Bloglinks der Woche (KW 13 / 2008) &#124; Web Analytics &#38; SEO - News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Avinash Kaushik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avinash Kaushik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=blue&gt;Vivek:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Excellent story, thank you for sharing. You have provided a near perfect example of how to use Macro and Micro conversions. Awesome!

&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=blue&gt;Kristen:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt; You can use the E word here, I mean that! The story in your comment is great, using the Micro to see where / why the Macro might be dropping.

See you in SFO! 

&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=blue&gt;Alice Cooper Stalker:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt; In answer to your questions at the end of your comment....

That is precisely the place that something like a survey (or other primary or secondary market research) can be of great help. 

For example at my last company we were using a onexit survey to measure things like "likelihood to recommend" (net promoter) or "likelihood to buy offline" etc, things that our micro conversions ("% who viewed the product pages") would never be able to quite answer.

It was also perfect context to the web analytics data.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=blue&gt;Chris:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Your comment reminded me of sending our online conversion reports to the Sales team. As we got better on our website (and you bet we did!) the Sales team would cringe (some would even hate us) because every dollar converted online was a dollar they could get less commission on because they were responsible for sales through the real world stores of our retail partners!

So you are absolutely right, high conversions might have multiple nuances and you have provided great examples of why and recommendations for what to do. I am grateful for that thanks!!

For any web analytics metric (or any other metric for that matter) it is critical to keep sight of what the organization is trying to achieve and then struggle as hard as possible to glean all the &lt;a href="http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2008/03/context-is-king-baby-go-get-your-own.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;necessary context&lt;/a&gt;. That's how we can peel the layers and make our efforts more profitable. 

Thanks so much again for adding such a wonderful comment.

-Avinash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><font color=blue>Vivek:</font></b> Excellent story, thank you for sharing. You have provided a near perfect example of how to use Macro and Micro conversions. Awesome!</p>
<p><b><font color=blue>Kristen:</font></b> You can use the E word here, I mean that! The story in your comment is great, using the Micro to see where / why the Macro might be dropping.</p>
<p>See you in SFO! </p>
<p><b><font color=blue>Alice Cooper Stalker:</font></b> In answer to your questions at the end of your comment&#8230;.</p>
<p>That is precisely the place that something like a survey (or other primary or secondary market research) can be of great help. </p>
<p>For example at my last company we were using a onexit survey to measure things like &#8220;likelihood to recommend&#8221; (net promoter) or &#8220;likelihood to buy offline&#8221; etc, things that our micro conversions (&#8221;% who viewed the product pages&#8221;) would never be able to quite answer.</p>
<p>It was also perfect context to the web analytics data.</p>
<p><b><font color=blue>Chris:</font></b> Your comment reminded me of sending our online conversion reports to the Sales team. As we got better on our website (and you bet we did!) the Sales team would cringe (some would even hate us) because every dollar converted online was a dollar they could get less commission on because they were responsible for sales through the real world stores of our retail partners!</p>
<p>So you are absolutely right, high conversions might have multiple nuances and you have provided great examples of why and recommendations for what to do. I am grateful for that thanks!!</p>
<p>For any web analytics metric (or any other metric for that matter) it is critical to keep sight of what the organization is trying to achieve and then struggle as hard as possible to glean all the <a href="http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2008/03/context-is-king-baby-go-get-your-own.html" rel="nofollow">necessary context</a>. That&#8217;s how we can peel the layers and make our efforts more profitable. </p>
<p>Thanks so much again for adding such a wonderful comment.</p>
<p>-Avinash.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Poad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Poad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avinash,

Nice post. On a (slightly) related topic: Is a high, or increasing site conversion rate always a good thing?

Sometimes I think it's a warning that something is going wrong.

Let's assume you are a retailer (not hard for me) and you a rational being (harder for me). You want to spend money creating traffic to your site until the last dollar you spend creates just a dollar in marginal, incremental profit (and the nest dollar spent would create less than a dollar in profit).

That's the point you want to stop spending, go and make the site work harder to increase conversion, so that marginal cut-off point advances.

But what if your understanding and control of your marketing activity is sub-optimal? A high conversion rate could indicate you aren't spending enough money (or rather creating enough traffic - I'm assuming you need to spend to get visitors).

Every extra dollar you spend will probably reduce your overall site conversion (because you're going to buy the best quality traffic first, right?) So as you spend more, your conversion drops until that marginal cut-off.

If your conversion rate is significantly higher than you peers, you might be missing an opportunity to generate more traffic, and more profitable sales.

C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avinash,</p>
<p>Nice post. On a (slightly) related topic: Is a high, or increasing site conversion rate always a good thing?</p>
<p>Sometimes I think it&#8217;s a warning that something is going wrong.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume you are a retailer (not hard for me) and you a rational being (harder for me). You want to spend money creating traffic to your site until the last dollar you spend creates just a dollar in marginal, incremental profit (and the nest dollar spent would create less than a dollar in profit).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the point you want to stop spending, go and make the site work harder to increase conversion, so that marginal cut-off point advances.</p>
<p>But what if your understanding and control of your marketing activity is sub-optimal? A high conversion rate could indicate you aren&#8217;t spending enough money (or rather creating enough traffic - I&#8217;m assuming you need to spend to get visitors).</p>
<p>Every extra dollar you spend will probably reduce your overall site conversion (because you&#8217;re going to buy the best quality traffic first, right?) So as you spend more, your conversion drops until that marginal cut-off.</p>
<p>If your conversion rate is significantly higher than you peers, you might be missing an opportunity to generate more traffic, and more profitable sales.</p>
<p>C</p>
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		<title>By: Alice Cooper Stalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice Cooper Stalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avinash,

Great post.  I work for a food manufacturing/marketing company.  We do not sell products online so there is no e-commerce transaction.  Our BIG conversion is to try to get people to register with our site.  Our micro-conversions are recipe-related tasks that visitors conduct.  People view recipes.  People print recipes (higher level of engagement than just viewing becuase they are committing resources...paper and ink from their printers).  People email recipes to friends.  People review recipes, etc...etc...  These are our micro-conversions.  

What I find interesting is looking at the relationships between these microconversions from a high level.  What percentage of people that view recipes are likely to go the extra mile and print them?  What percentage of people that view recipes are likely to email them?  Are there relationships between your micro-conversions and your BIG conversion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avinash,</p>
<p>Great post.  I work for a food manufacturing/marketing company.  We do not sell products online so there is no e-commerce transaction.  Our BIG conversion is to try to get people to register with our site.  Our micro-conversions are recipe-related tasks that visitors conduct.  People view recipes.  People print recipes (higher level of engagement than just viewing becuase they are committing resources&#8230;paper and ink from their printers).  People email recipes to friends.  People review recipes, etc&#8230;etc&#8230;  These are our micro-conversions.  </p>
<p>What I find interesting is looking at the relationships between these microconversions from a high level.  What percentage of people that view recipes are likely to go the extra mile and print them?  What percentage of people that view recipes are likely to email them?  Are there relationships between your micro-conversions and your BIG conversion?</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avinash,

I hate to use the "E" word, but we use micro conversions as indication of positive behavior - or Engagement. For an informational site, we look at things like reading a white paper, pages per visit, completing an internal search, etc. as small success events indicating a positive Engagement with our site. 

On one of your posts about engagement, I mentioned we created a weighted model that combines these positive behaviors into one number to monitor on a monthly basis (with the help of the talented people at ZAAZ). It's not the most intuitive process for leadership to understand, but we use it to complement the macro conversions and watch for pain points in our site. If our macro conversions are down, usually our micro ones are too, but we can get an idea of where we should focus our attention and start testing.

Thanks again for another great post. Hope to see you in San Francisco!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avinash,</p>
<p>I hate to use the &#8220;E&#8221; word, but we use micro conversions as indication of positive behavior - or Engagement. For an informational site, we look at things like reading a white paper, pages per visit, completing an internal search, etc. as small success events indicating a positive Engagement with our site. </p>
<p>On one of your posts about engagement, I mentioned we created a weighted model that combines these positive behaviors into one number to monitor on a monthly basis (with the help of the talented people at ZAAZ). It&#8217;s not the most intuitive process for leadership to understand, but we use it to complement the macro conversions and watch for pain points in our site. If our macro conversions are down, usually our micro ones are too, but we can get an idea of where we should focus our attention and start testing.</p>
<p>Thanks again for another great post. Hope to see you in San Francisco!</p>
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		<title>By: Vivek Deshmukh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivek Deshmukh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always another great post, thank you Avinash. 

No doubt micro metrics demand more attention than what they have been traditionally given and this becomes more obvious when you view these metrics in light of non-ecommerce based sites. For e.g. look at the following metrics we used for a yoga website.

•	Number of people reading Articles on yoga
•	Number of people reading various Programs available with the institute
•	Number of people using the Contact us page

Managing these metrics well was resulting in positive business growth i.e. customers were landing at the institute after interacting with the website. This suggests that these ‘soft’ metrics DO add value to the business in many ways. 

The scene however changes when you have an ecommerce site. Businesses tend to put all their efforts in managing ‘Macro’ conversion rates (e.g. customers joining online) and ignoring the benefits that come out of the Micro metrics (e.g. customers physically coming to the institute and joining) thus loosing business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always another great post, thank you Avinash. </p>
<p>No doubt micro metrics demand more attention than what they have been traditionally given and this becomes more obvious when you view these metrics in light of non-ecommerce based sites. For e.g. look at the following metrics we used for a yoga website.</p>
<p>•	Number of people reading Articles on yoga<br />
•	Number of people reading various Programs available with the institute<br />
•	Number of people using the Contact us page</p>
<p>Managing these metrics well was resulting in positive business growth i.e. customers were landing at the institute after interacting with the website. This suggests that these ‘soft’ metrics DO add value to the business in many ways. </p>
<p>The scene however changes when you have an ecommerce site. Businesses tend to put all their efforts in managing ‘Macro’ conversion rates (e.g. customers joining online) and ignoring the benefits that come out of the Micro metrics (e.g. customers physically coming to the institute and joining) thus loosing business.</p>
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		<title>By: Avinash Kaushik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avinash Kaushik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=blue&gt;Steve:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt; This is am amazing coincidence but Bryan was sitting with me yesterday as I was finalizing the post (it takes me days to write it!), he even took a picture of me working on the post...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=724735&#38;op=1&#38;view=all&#38;subj=732214187&#38;id=500386740

:)

I think micro actions, as you describe, it is slightly different from what I was hoping to communicate in the article. The concept of micro actions is a important one and bears understanding and quantifying. But micro conversions are tasks all by themselves, some people will convert on the site but many others are there for other purposes and my point of view is that we should measure that aggressively. 

So, at the risk of confusing the issues, micro conversions are accomplishments of other goals for which people are on the site (other than what you think the site's primary purpose is).

&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=blue&gt;Helen:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt; It would be very difficult to totally "dedupe" the numbers in the scenario you describe, but I think that there is still value from measuring both macro and micro.

Exactly as you mention cleanly segmenting people will help improve the quality of data (so say start with the 100 that convert, then degrade them into small buckets), understanding the purchase behavior will help as well (this post: &lt;a href="http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/08/excellent-analytics-tip6-measure-days-visits-to-purchase.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Excellent Analytics Tip#6: Measure Days &#038; Visits to Purchase&lt;/a&gt;) and finally if you trend the numbers over time and complement them with something like 4Q (or another such tool) then I think you'll be kosher: Have greater confidence in the data and do a great job of measuring both macro and micro.

Thanks for the great comment, always nice when someone makes you think. :)

&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=blue&gt;Ned:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt; You are right, that would work as well. My stress in this post was that micro conversions can be different customer tasks or different customer segments. But. . . .

It is certainly advisable that you track the "steps leading up to macro conversion" and then eliminate barriers. In this scenario you might have micro conversions that lead directly into a macro conversion.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=blue&gt;Chuck: &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Great add and a perfect use of this concept. It is also a great use of Omniture Discover since it allows so much more flexibility in defining segments and structuring your queries.

My thought though is that if you have defined those segments right then atleast it will help you explain to your management about content consumption and success of each of those segments (even if success is not ordering something) and secondly perhaps you'll get a better feel for what kinds of things might in the end lead in a macro consumption and what does not. 

Maybe adding in a survey or some remote usability might even add color to your Discover analysis, to add to the testable hypothesis that you are already generating.

-Avinash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><font color=blue>Steve:</font></b> This is am amazing coincidence but Bryan was sitting with me yesterday as I was finalizing the post (it takes me days to write it!), he even took a picture of me working on the post&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=724735&amp;op=1&amp;view=all&amp;subj=732214187&amp;id=500386740" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=724735&amp;op=1&amp;view=all&amp;subj=732214187&amp;id=500386740</a></p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>I think micro actions, as you describe, it is slightly different from what I was hoping to communicate in the article. The concept of micro actions is a important one and bears understanding and quantifying. But micro conversions are tasks all by themselves, some people will convert on the site but many others are there for other purposes and my point of view is that we should measure that aggressively. </p>
<p>So, at the risk of confusing the issues, micro conversions are accomplishments of other goals for which people are on the site (other than what you think the site&#8217;s primary purpose is).</p>
<p><b><font color=blue>Helen:</font></b> It would be very difficult to totally &#8220;dedupe&#8221; the numbers in the scenario you describe, but I think that there is still value from measuring both macro and micro.</p>
<p>Exactly as you mention cleanly segmenting people will help improve the quality of data (so say start with the 100 that convert, then degrade them into small buckets), understanding the purchase behavior will help as well (this post: <a href="http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/08/excellent-analytics-tip6-measure-days-visits-to-purchase.html" rel="nofollow">Excellent Analytics Tip#6: Measure Days &#038; Visits to Purchase</a>) and finally if you trend the numbers over time and complement them with something like 4Q (or another such tool) then I think you&#8217;ll be kosher: Have greater confidence in the data and do a great job of measuring both macro and micro.</p>
<p>Thanks for the great comment, always nice when someone makes you think. :)</p>
<p><b><font color=blue>Ned:</font></b> You are right, that would work as well. My stress in this post was that micro conversions can be different customer tasks or different customer segments. But. . . .</p>
<p>It is certainly advisable that you track the &#8220;steps leading up to macro conversion&#8221; and then eliminate barriers. In this scenario you might have micro conversions that lead directly into a macro conversion.</p>
<p><b><font color=blue>Chuck: </font></b> Great add and a perfect use of this concept. It is also a great use of Omniture Discover since it allows so much more flexibility in defining segments and structuring your queries.</p>
<p>My thought though is that if you have defined those segments right then atleast it will help you explain to your management about content consumption and success of each of those segments (even if success is not ordering something) and secondly perhaps you&#8217;ll get a better feel for what kinds of things might in the end lead in a macro consumption and what does not. </p>
<p>Maybe adding in a survey or some remote usability might even add color to your Discover analysis, to add to the testable hypothesis that you are already generating.</p>
<p>-Avinash.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Ullan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Ullan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great examples, Avinash.  For a media site like ours, virtually all conversions are micro conversions.  

One thing we like to do with these events is not just view them over a segmented denominator, but  use them to DEFINE visitor segments.  

We're an Omniture shop, so we use Discover to isolate these cohorts, look at their usage patterns to get a feel for how the user experiences are different, apart from the fact that one converted and another didn't.  Did they view our beautiful flash demo?  Do they come back?

Of course this doesn't tell you exactly what to do next, but it usually generates a lot of hypotheses and testable propositions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great examples, Avinash.  For a media site like ours, virtually all conversions are micro conversions.  </p>
<p>One thing we like to do with these events is not just view them over a segmented denominator, but  use them to DEFINE visitor segments.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;re an Omniture shop, so we use Discover to isolate these cohorts, look at their usage patterns to get a feel for how the user experiences are different, apart from the fact that one converted and another didn&#8217;t.  Did they view our beautiful flash demo?  Do they come back?</p>
<p>Of course this doesn&#8217;t tell you exactly what to do next, but it usually generates a lot of hypotheses and testable propositions.</p>
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		<title>By: Sucesso de um site&#8230; para além da taxa de conversão &#171; Antonio Matias Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sucesso de um site&#8230; para além da taxa de conversão &#171; Antonio Matias Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Depende. Se o seu único canal de vendas é o seu site, poderá eventualmente ser mau. Todavia, se grande parte das suas vendas se fazem offline e o seu site serve apenas para informar o mercado sobre os seus produtos, então se calhar a taxa de conversão de 1% já pode ser boa. Ou pensando melhor, nem boa nem má, mas insuficiente, pois necessita de métricas de conversão auxiliares como: “Qual a percentagem de visitantes que consultou as fichas técnicas dos meus produtos?”. Há muito para dizer sobre este tema, mas recomendo fortemente a leitura do post Measure Macro AND Micro Conversions  que me inspirou a escrever estas linhas. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Depende. Se o seu único canal de vendas é o seu site, poderá eventualmente ser mau. Todavia, se grande parte das suas vendas se fazem offline e o seu site serve apenas para informar o mercado sobre os seus produtos, então se calhar a taxa de conversão de 1% já pode ser boa. Ou pensando melhor, nem boa nem má, mas insuficiente, pois necessita de métricas de conversão auxiliares como: “Qual a percentagem de visitantes que consultou as fichas técnicas dos meus produtos?”. Há muito para dizer sobre este tema, mas recomendo fortemente a leitura do post Measure Macro AND Micro Conversions  que me inspirou a escrever estas linhas. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avinash - that was a great read. I completely agree with all the different reasons one might want to track micro conversions along with their macro conversions. I also think we can use micro-conversions not just to track intermediate accomplishments but also to identify possible issues with the website that if corrected would result in an improved macro conversion (for example visitors looking for help on a certain topic or visitors abandoning a form at a certain point). This is not really a conversion, but still a 'goal' I want to track.

Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avinash - that was a great read. I completely agree with all the different reasons one might want to track micro conversions along with their macro conversions. I also think we can use micro-conversions not just to track intermediate accomplishments but also to identify possible issues with the website that if corrected would result in an improved macro conversion (for example visitors looking for help on a certain topic or visitors abandoning a form at a certain point). This is not really a conversion, but still a &#8216;goal&#8217; I want to track.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Vetrano</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2008/03/excellent-analytics-tip-13-measure-macro-and-micro-conversions.html#comment-440489</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Vetrano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avinash,

Great post, but I think it is important to note that there probably is overlap between micro and macro conversions.  Following your "Traffic to Website" chart, one visitor could have inflated the Research micro conversion yet performed one macro conversion.  Because of duplication, it is difficult to divide total traffic into these conversion buckets and thus accurately assess the whole picture.

Maybe this is where segmentation analysis is helpful? What percentage of traffic researched and bought something? How many visits did this take? Maybe I'm straying too far from your original concept =)

Thanks,

Helen Vetrano</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avinash,</p>
<p>Great post, but I think it is important to note that there probably is overlap between micro and macro conversions.  Following your &#8220;Traffic to Website&#8221; chart, one visitor could have inflated the Research micro conversion yet performed one macro conversion.  Because of duplication, it is difficult to divide total traffic into these conversion buckets and thus accurately assess the whole picture.</p>
<p>Maybe this is where segmentation analysis is helpful? What percentage of traffic researched and bought something? How many visits did this take? Maybe I&#8217;m straying too far from your original concept =)</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Helen Vetrano</p>
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		<title>By: Praveen Pandey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praveen Pandey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avinash,

It was really thread bare analysis{Mi&#38;Ma Analysis}. Since micro study we have to prove before management &#38; management think thier own way!!!

Regards

Praveen Pandey
India, Pune</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avinash,</p>
<p>It was really thread bare analysis{Mi&amp;Ma Analysis}. Since micro study we have to prove before management &amp; management think thier own way!!!</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Praveen Pandey<br />
India, Pune</p>
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		<title>By: Me han gustado estos posts Internet Marketing Online Blog - Desmarkt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me han gustado estos posts Internet Marketing Online Blog - Desmarkt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Blog - Metrovacesa y su estrategia comercial online: Los frikis de Metrovacesa por Eneko Knörr. - Micro y MacroConversiones. Social Media Marketing:Estos íconos enlazan con webs de marcadores sociales que permiten a los [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Blog - Metrovacesa y su estrategia comercial online: Los frikis de Metrovacesa por Eneko Knörr. - Micro y MacroConversiones. Social Media Marketing:Estos íconos enlazan con webs de marcadores sociales que permiten a los [...]</p>
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