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	<title>Comments on: Web Analytics Standards: 26 New Metrics Definitions</title>
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		<title>By: Avinash Kaushik</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2007/08/web-analytics-standards-26-new-metrics-definitions.html#comment-406687</link>
		<dc:creator>Avinash Kaushik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=blue&gt;Nathanael :&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt; I wish there was a simpler answer. Let me try to explain:

For most web analytics tools the session that starts when you visit the site continues for 29 minutes of inactivity. So you come, you see a few pages, your leave (lets say this is minute 5) and you come back ten mins later then your session continues. Let's say you click on another page and then go away then as long as you come back in less than 29 mins your session will continue.

Some tools, a few, will terminate your session as long as you click on a link and leave. So you were on www.pricegrabber.com and click on a link to go to officemax.com then your session will be closed. If you come back again in a minute then a new session starts (resulting higher "visits" to the site).

A couple of tools typically behave as in scenario one above but they have one exception. If you exit to a search engine and/or come back to the same site via a search engine then they terminate the session. So you type in "avinash", come to www.kaushik.net/avinash, don't see what you want, go back to google and type in "avinash speaking engagements" and come back to the site (this time landing on my speaking engagements page) then that will be two sessions.

So there are all the nuances. Lesson: check with your vendor.

Hope this helps.

Avinash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><font color=blue>Nathanael :</font></b> I wish there was a simpler answer. Let me try to explain:</p>
<p>For most web analytics tools the session that starts when you visit the site continues for 29 minutes of inactivity. So you come, you see a few pages, your leave (lets say this is minute 5) and you come back ten mins later then your session continues. Let&#8217;s say you click on another page and then go away then as long as you come back in less than 29 mins your session will continue.</p>
<p>Some tools, a few, will terminate your session as long as you click on a link and leave. So you were on <a href="http://www.pricegrabber.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pricegrabber.com</a> and click on a link to go to officemax.com then your session will be closed. If you come back again in a minute then a new session starts (resulting higher &#8220;visits&#8221; to the site).</p>
<p>A couple of tools typically behave as in scenario one above but they have one exception. If you exit to a search engine and/or come back to the same site via a search engine then they terminate the session. So you type in &#8220;avinash&#8221;, come to <a href="http://www.kaushik.net/avinash" rel="nofollow">http://www.kaushik.net/avinash</a>, don&#8217;t see what you want, go back to google and type in &#8220;avinash speaking engagements&#8221; and come back to the site (this time landing on my speaking engagements page) then that will be two sessions.</p>
<p>So there are all the nuances. Lesson: check with your vendor.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>Avinash.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2007/08/web-analytics-standards-26-new-metrics-definitions.html#comment-406590</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curious to know if "sessions" typically end also once a visitor has left a website to go to another?  This is especially relevant for comparison shopping contexts where shoppers are bouncing between a variety of sites and may come back to yours 2-3 times in the course of a 1/2 hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious to know if &#8220;sessions&#8221; typically end also once a visitor has left a website to go to another?  This is especially relevant for comparison shopping contexts where shoppers are bouncing between a variety of sites and may come back to yours 2-3 times in the course of a 1/2 hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Adron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the definitions.  I've been putting together my own list since joining the analytics community as of late.  This is a great addition.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the definitions.  I&#8217;ve been putting together my own list since joining the analytics community as of late.  This is a great addition.</p>
<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: Omniture Acquires Visual Sciences</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2007/08/web-analytics-standards-26-new-metrics-definitions.html#comment-311275</link>
		<dc:creator>Omniture Acquires Visual Sciences</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is a great move for the web analytics industries and their customers. Consolidation helps to create standards. My personal congratulations to Jim MacIntyre and all our friends at Visual Sciences, and to Josh James and crew at Omniture. Best of luck to all involved. Technorati Tags: Omniture, visual sciences, Web Analytics, websidestory [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is a great move for the web analytics industries and their customers. Consolidation helps to create standards. My personal congratulations to Jim MacIntyre and all our friends at Visual Sciences, and to Josh James and crew at Omniture. Best of luck to all involved. Technorati Tags: Omniture, visual sciences, Web Analytics, websidestory [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Can Google Accelerate the Adoption of Web Analytics Standards? &#124; plusoneanalytics.com</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2007/08/web-analytics-standards-26-new-metrics-definitions.html#comment-311065</link>
		<dc:creator>Can Google Accelerate the Adoption of Web Analytics Standards? &#124; plusoneanalytics.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One of the major things that bloggers (Eric Peterson, Marshall Sponder, Avinash Kaushik, et al.) and pundits pointed out that these three women echoed is the continual challenge in getting these standards implemented across the web analytics industry. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the major things that bloggers (Eric Peterson, Marshall Sponder, Avinash Kaushik, et al.) and pundits pointed out that these three women echoed is the continual challenge in getting these standards implemented across the web analytics industry. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hannes Buhrmann</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2007/08/web-analytics-standards-26-new-metrics-definitions.html#comment-214750</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannes Buhrmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic document - we all know what happens in organisations when we use the same words to mean different things. Standard definitions rule!!!

Only disappointment so far is that it does not give a clear definition for a page view. For instance, when presenting a Google map with points of interest(POI), does a map scroll with a refreshed set of POI count as a page view?

Keep up the good work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic document - we all know what happens in organisations when we use the same words to mean different things. Standard definitions rule!!!</p>
<p>Only disappointment so far is that it does not give a clear definition for a page view. For instance, when presenting a Google map with points of interest(POI), does a map scroll with a refreshed set of POI count as a page view?</p>
<p>Keep up the good work</p>
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		<title>By: Rahul Deshmukh</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2007/08/web-analytics-standards-26-new-metrics-definitions.html#comment-213373</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahul Deshmukh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avinash,
Good vlog on WA vendors and distilling the content.  It felt a bit shallow to me...probably I am the loud guy asking questions to the vendors :--)  Though, it definitely is a good start on the critical few features of each vendor that sometimes are not exposed during the "dog 'n pony" shows.
Thanks,
Rahul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avinash,<br />
Good vlog on WA vendors and distilling the content.  It felt a bit shallow to me&#8230;probably I am the loud guy asking questions to the vendors :&#8211;)  Though, it definitely is a good start on the critical few features of each vendor that sometimes are not exposed during the &#8220;dog &#8216;n pony&#8221; shows.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Rahul</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Lawton</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2007/08/web-analytics-standards-26-new-metrics-definitions.html#comment-212848</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Lawton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second the suggestion for Creative Commons, but (though IANAL) I'm pretty sure "No Derivative Works" is the wrong choice.  Taken literally, that wouldn't allow a substantial excerpt (as done above).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second the suggestion for Creative Commons, but (though IANAL) I&#8217;m pretty sure &#8220;No Derivative Works&#8221; is the wrong choice.  Taken literally, that wouldn&#8217;t allow a substantial excerpt (as done above).</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2007/08/web-analytics-standards-26-new-metrics-definitions.html#comment-210770</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florian: My pleasure. Glad to help! At the end of the day, I'm more in debt to the authors and the WAA for their efforts than the other way around!

Angie: Think of "Copyright" as "Right to Copy". If it helps, substitute "DVD of the Movie XYZ" for "Document". If you can legally share part of a DVD Movie, or the whole thing? You're in the clear, re. this document. If you can't... well you (probably) can't share the document as you describe. :-)
To be horribly simplistic about the whole legal edifice (and then some...) around copyright.

In essence I have *NO* Right to Copy, except for that granted to me under (Australian) copyright law. UNLESS the WAA deliberately chooses to apply looser Right to Copy provisions for the Document. 

Which also opens up a whole can of worms of it's own:

Being definitions, you want them kept inviolate and somewhat whole. The WAA would also have a perfectly valid reason for being seen as the Owner/Creator of the definitions.

I guess the question becomes: What is the purpose of the definitions?

An oversight I'm quite sure, but "Why?" seems to be missing from the 1st paragraph of the document. ;-) "How?" is there, but not "Why?". If you're at all like me, the intro is written last. ;-)

Again, my thanks for your efforts!!!!!

Cheers!
- Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florian: My pleasure. Glad to help! At the end of the day, I&#8217;m more in debt to the authors and the WAA for their efforts than the other way around!</p>
<p>Angie: Think of &#8220;Copyright&#8221; as &#8220;Right to Copy&#8221;. If it helps, substitute &#8220;DVD of the Movie XYZ&#8221; for &#8220;Document&#8221;. If you can legally share part of a DVD Movie, or the whole thing? You&#8217;re in the clear, re. this document. If you can&#8217;t&#8230; well you (probably) can&#8217;t share the document as you describe. :-)<br />
To be horribly simplistic about the whole legal edifice (and then some&#8230;) around copyright.</p>
<p>In essence I have *NO* Right to Copy, except for that granted to me under (Australian) copyright law. UNLESS the WAA deliberately chooses to apply looser Right to Copy provisions for the Document. </p>
<p>Which also opens up a whole can of worms of it&#8217;s own:</p>
<p>Being definitions, you want them kept inviolate and somewhat whole. The WAA would also have a perfectly valid reason for being seen as the Owner/Creator of the definitions.</p>
<p>I guess the question becomes: What is the purpose of the definitions?</p>
<p>An oversight I&#8217;m quite sure, but &#8220;Why?&#8221; seems to be missing from the 1st paragraph of the document. ;-) &#8220;How?&#8221; is there, but not &#8220;Why?&#8221;. If you&#8217;re at all like me, the intro is written last. ;-)</p>
<p>Again, my thanks for your efforts!!!!!</p>
<p>Cheers!<br />
- Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Judah Phillips at Web Analytics Demystified &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Web Analytics Standards: 26 Terms and Definitions from the Web Analytics Association</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judah Phillips at Web Analytics Demystified &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Web Analytics Standards: 26 Terms and Definitions from the Web Analytics Association</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So what are these new standards, you ask?  Here is the standard vocabulary (thanks to my friend Avinash Kaushik whose digitization of the document I have cut and pasted here  : [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Florian</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2007/08/web-analytics-standards-26-new-metrics-definitions.html#comment-210733</link>
		<dc:creator>Florian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve Thanks for pointing this out. I already compiled a little glossary from the definitions and appended it to client deliverable ppts (attributing the def's to WWA). Now it seems I need to be more careful. (even though I AM working in China). The creative commons license seems like a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve Thanks for pointing this out. I already compiled a little glossary from the definitions and appended it to client deliverable ppts (attributing the def&#8217;s to WWA). Now it seems I need to be more careful. (even though I AM working in China). The creative commons license seems like a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Analytics Facts &#187; De nieuwe 26 standaard Web Analytics metrics van de WAA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Analytics Facts &#187; De nieuwe 26 standaard Web Analytics metrics van de WAA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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Interessant om door te nemen? Zeker weten, want deze begrippen vormen de basis van wat een Web Analytics practitioner en expert moet weten en gebruiken om een heldere uitleg aan de cijfers te kunnen geven.

Natuurlijk hebben ze ook aan de kenners gevraagd wat ze van dit document vinden. Avinash, WAA board member en auteur van “Web Analytics: An Hour A Day.” zegt: “The hard work and dedication from the WAA, the participation from the analytics community and the resulting 26 definitions are truly a sign of the maturity of the industry. The market for analytics tools is booming and, with increased interest from all areas of online marketing, these standards benefit both the users and practitioners and will only accelerate the advancement of the analytics industry.”

Download hier de nieuwe definitielijst van de 26 metrics in PDF. Andere posts over dit onderwerp op Marketingfacts en blog van Avinash. [...]</description>
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Interessant om door te nemen? Zeker weten, want deze begrippen vormen de basis van wat een Web Analytics practitioner en expert moet weten en gebruiken om een heldere uitleg aan de cijfers te kunnen geven.</p>
<p>Natuurlijk hebben ze ook aan de kenners gevraagd wat ze van dit document vinden. Avinash, WAA board member en auteur van “Web Analytics: An Hour A Day.” zegt: “The hard work and dedication from the WAA, the participation from the analytics community and the resulting 26 definitions are truly a sign of the maturity of the industry. The market for analytics tools is booming and, with increased interest from all areas of online marketing, these standards benefit both the users and practitioners and will only accelerate the advancement of the analytics industry.”</p>
<p>Download hier de nieuwe definitielijst van de 26 metrics in PDF. Andere posts over dit onderwerp op Marketingfacts en blog van Avinash. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thescott &#8212; links for 2007-08-25</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2007/08/web-analytics-standards-26-new-metrics-definitions.html#comment-209303</link>
		<dc:creator>thescott &#8212; links for 2007-08-25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Web Analytics Standards: 26 New Metrics Definitions 26 brand spanking new metrics that have been published by the Web Analytics Association standards committee. (tags: web analytics webanalytics)      Social bookmarks: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Web Analytics Standards: 26 New Metrics Definitions 26 brand spanking new metrics that have been published by the Web Analytics Association standards committee. (tags: web analytics webanalytics)      Social bookmarks: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we have received other comments about the copyright. We used another document as a template for this one and didn't even think about the copyright being there. Honestly, I don't know much about copyright law (I'm a nerd, not a lawyer) other than seeing how some other industries abuse the heck out of it, but the other person who emailed us seemed to think that having that there would prevent him from copying the document and sharing it with his coworkers. I always thought that was covered under "fair use," it's not like he's going to pass it off as his own doc. Of course we want people to read the document and share it and adopt those definitions so we'll visit that topic and find out what to do.

angie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we have received other comments about the copyright. We used another document as a template for this one and didn&#8217;t even think about the copyright being there. Honestly, I don&#8217;t know much about copyright law (I&#8217;m a nerd, not a lawyer) other than seeing how some other industries abuse the heck out of it, but the other person who emailed us seemed to think that having that there would prevent him from copying the document and sharing it with his coworkers. I always thought that was covered under &#8220;fair use,&#8221; it&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s going to pass it off as his own doc. Of course we want people to read the document and share it and adopt those definitions so we&#8217;ll visit that topic and find out what to do.</p>
<p>angie</p>
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		<title>By: Web Analytics Standards by the WAA &#171; Web Analytics .be Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2007/08/web-analytics-standards-26-new-metrics-definitions.html#comment-208328</link>
		<dc:creator>Web Analytics Standards by the WAA &#171; Web Analytics .be Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You may download the document with the definitions here. According to Avinash, member of the Committee, the comments for each of the definitions are really interesting and worth reading [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You may download the document with the definitions here. According to Avinash, member of the Committee, the comments for each of the definitions are really interesting and worth reading [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Analysing visitors to your site with web analytics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Analysing visitors to your site with web analytics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When you are running your own website and using it for online marketing, its important to be able to analyse what is happening on your site. If you are new to online marketing, getting to understand the terms being used can be quite a challenge. The Web Analytics Association has now published a standard set of terms so that everyone involved in web analytics can speak the same language. Avinash Kaushik, on his blog Occam’s Razor, has drawn attention to the new definitions for web analytics metrics. There is more detail linked to from Avinash’s post... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When you are running your own website and using it for online marketing, its important to be able to analyse what is happening on your site. If you are new to online marketing, getting to understand the terms being used can be quite a challenge. The Web Analytics Association has now published a standard set of terms so that everyone involved in web analytics can speak the same language. Avinash Kaushik, on his blog Occam’s Razor, has drawn attention to the new definitions for web analytics metrics. There is more detail linked to from Avinash’s post&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! Didn't mean to imply so strongly that you could or even should be locked up. :-)

Under Aussie law, the rules are not so much for a given "percentage" of a work, rather if the infringement is over a substantial part. Given that the docco in question is WA Definitions, it logically follows that the definitions are a "substantial part".
One could argue they're the whole point!

See here for more of a heads up:
http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Copyright#16
"Can I copy 10%..."

Solutions?
There are several. One of the biggest issues to overcome is allowing reproduction in any medium without actually changing the definitions themselves.

Possibly the easiest is to look at the Creative Commons pre-built licenses.
http://creativecommons.org/

Pick an "Attribution"; "No Derivative Works" license over the actual definitions you've extracted above. For example.
Something similar for the actual docco itself.

HTH? Cheers!
- Steve
PS I tried for "shorter" on this comment. :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Didn&#8217;t mean to imply so strongly that you could or even should be locked up. :-)</p>
<p>Under Aussie law, the rules are not so much for a given &#8220;percentage&#8221; of a work, rather if the infringement is over a substantial part. Given that the docco in question is WA Definitions, it logically follows that the definitions are a &#8220;substantial part&#8221;.<br />
One could argue they&#8217;re the whole point!</p>
<p>See here for more of a heads up:<br />
<a href="http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Copyright#16" rel="nofollow">http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Copyright#16</a><br />
&#8220;Can I copy 10%&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Solutions?<br />
There are several. One of the biggest issues to overcome is allowing reproduction in any medium without actually changing the definitions themselves.</p>
<p>Possibly the easiest is to look at the Creative Commons pre-built licenses.<br />
<a href="http://creativecommons.org/" rel="nofollow">http://creativecommons.org/</a></p>
<p>Pick an &#8220;Attribution&#8221;; &#8220;No Derivative Works&#8221; license over the actual definitions you&#8217;ve extracted above. For example.<br />
Something similar for the actual docco itself.</p>
<p>HTH? Cheers!<br />
- Steve<br />
PS I tried for &#8220;shorter&#8221; on this comment. :-P</p>
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		<title>By: benry</title>
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		<dc:creator>benry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work by all the members of the committee on updating and adding to the document. I echo the earlier comments that the it would be great to see these all adopted by the vendors so we're all talking the same language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work by all the members of the committee on updating and adding to the document. I echo the earlier comments that the it would be great to see these all adopted by the vendors so we&#8217;re all talking the same language.</p>
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		<title>By: Avinash Kaushik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avinash Kaushik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;font color=blue&gt;&lt;b&gt;Steve :&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font color&gt; I have now familarized myself the legal policy and am ready to go to jail.

On a serious note though this seems to be a concern from others (who have emailed me). I am going to bring this to the board's attention and bring back a official point of view. 

I was not trying to break the law by copying the definitions here, I wanted to make sure lots of people get exposure to them. I am hopeful that the WAA is very supportive of the use of materials contained in the document (with clear citations). 

But law is the law and it should be respected. 

Thanks for the feedback.

-Avinash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font color=blue><b>Steve :</b></font> I have now familarized myself the legal policy and am ready to go to jail.</p>
<p>On a serious note though this seems to be a concern from others (who have emailed me). I am going to bring this to the board&#8217;s attention and bring back a official point of view. </p>
<p>I was not trying to break the law by copying the definitions here, I wanted to make sure lots of people get exposure to them. I am hopeful that the WAA is very supportive of the use of materials contained in the document (with clear citations). </p>
<p>But law is the law and it should be respected. </p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback.</p>
<p>-Avinash.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should probably address these questions directly to the WAA, but suspect they all read here anyway. ;-)

1. What are the distribution rights on this document? From what I can see the document is a normal document: copyrighted to the WAA itself and hence the usual copyright laws kick in.
ie. I can't, legally, hand around/distribute copies. :-)

2. Ditto the definitions themselves. This is perhaps the more vexing issue. In that while I totally support the idea of having standard definitions, if I can't copy them into, eg. my product documentation and so on; then I can't use them and hence spread them. Thus having standard definitions is of no use to me *anyway*. :-(

"Fair Use" has different meanings in different countries. IANAL, but my understanding of *Australian* copyright law would mean that it is illegal to copy the definitions themselves as Avinash has done above. USA law is different, so don't go locking Avinash up.... yet! ;-)


3. I have no idea if such exists already, but is there any scope for having these definitions be formally adopted as an ISO, or equivalent, international standard?

Speaking as someone who was a rep on a Standards Australia committee many many years ago, I perhaps have an inbuilt bias towards the formally approved standards. Yes it can be a fluffy tick only, but it does also lend weight in minds and perceptions.

Such experience also means that I really appreciate just how much work goes into writing these documents. Well Done All concerned!!!!


4. I ask because I have to be a PITA at least once a day. And because I note from the doc properties that Avinash did the PDF conversion ;-) (Ghostscript? I find Ooo does a pretty good job fwiw). Any chance of an A4 version vs US Letter?
 

Cheers, and again well done. Now to read the 34! pages in detail.
- Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should probably address these questions directly to the WAA, but suspect they all read here anyway. ;-)</p>
<p>1. What are the distribution rights on this document? From what I can see the document is a normal document: copyrighted to the WAA itself and hence the usual copyright laws kick in.<br />
ie. I can&#8217;t, legally, hand around/distribute copies. :-)</p>
<p>2. Ditto the definitions themselves. This is perhaps the more vexing issue. In that while I totally support the idea of having standard definitions, if I can&#8217;t copy them into, eg. my product documentation and so on; then I can&#8217;t use them and hence spread them. Thus having standard definitions is of no use to me *anyway*. :-(</p>
<p>&#8220;Fair Use&#8221; has different meanings in different countries. IANAL, but my understanding of *Australian* copyright law would mean that it is illegal to copy the definitions themselves as Avinash has done above. USA law is different, so don&#8217;t go locking Avinash up&#8230;. yet! ;-)</p>
<p>3. I have no idea if such exists already, but is there any scope for having these definitions be formally adopted as an ISO, or equivalent, international standard?</p>
<p>Speaking as someone who was a rep on a Standards Australia committee many many years ago, I perhaps have an inbuilt bias towards the formally approved standards. Yes it can be a fluffy tick only, but it does also lend weight in minds and perceptions.</p>
<p>Such experience also means that I really appreciate just how much work goes into writing these documents. Well Done All concerned!!!!</p>
<p>4. I ask because I have to be a PITA at least once a day. And because I note from the doc properties that Avinash did the PDF conversion ;-) (Ghostscript? I find Ooo does a pretty good job fwiw). Any chance of an A4 version vs US Letter?</p>
<p>Cheers, and again well done. Now to read the 34! pages in detail.<br />
- Steve</p>
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