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		<title>By: Anant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avinash,

I am a Strategy Consultant/Business Analyst new in the web analytics role. A client of ours has asked us to help them with tagging, establishing KPIs and Dashboards. Can you please tell me what are the key deliverables in my role with a brief summary for each deliverable? 

Thanks a lot.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avinash,</p>
<p>I am a Strategy Consultant/Business Analyst new in the web analytics role. A client of ours has asked us to help them with tagging, establishing KPIs and Dashboards. Can you please tell me what are the key deliverables in my role with a brief summary for each deliverable? </p>
<p>Thanks a lot.<br />
Anant</p>
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		<title>By: JUAN DAMIA&#8217;s BLOG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Avinash Kaushik - an awesome interview</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/11/web-analysis-inhouse-or-outsourced-or-something-else.html#comment-204667</link>
		<dc:creator>JUAN DAMIA&#8217;s BLOG &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Avinash Kaushik - an awesome interview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] JUAN: Would you recommend companies having a web analytics professional in-house or outsourced (a consulting company).  AVINASH: Ahhh I have a blog post for this one as well, here is the link…… Web Analysis: In-house or Out-sourced or Something Else? In short my recommendation is that the end goal should be to have that expertise in-house because no one can understand your company uniquely like people in your company. But in the post above I recommend a four stage plan of moving from getting tactical help from consultants to finding someone in-house to training them to do tactical to transitioning consultants to only do cutting edge competitive stuff. That’s a simple lifecycle. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] JUAN: Would you recommend companies having a web analytics professional in-house or outsourced (a consulting company).  AVINASH: Ahhh I have a blog post for this one as well, here is the link…… Web Analysis: In-house or Out-sourced or Something Else? In short my recommendation is that the end goal should be to have that expertise in-house because no one can understand your company uniquely like people in your company. But in the post above I recommend a four stage plan of moving from getting tactical help from consultants to finding someone in-house to training them to do tactical to transitioning consultants to only do cutting edge competitive stuff. That’s a simple lifecycle. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Garçon aka Martin Kopta &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-01-22</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/11/web-analysis-inhouse-or-outsourced-or-something-else.html#comment-29904</link>
		<dc:creator>Garçon aka Martin Kopta &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-01-22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Web Analysis: In-house or Out-sourced or Something Else? » Occam’s Razor by Avinash Kaushik whether web analytics is great being in-house or should it be out-sourced ? or it could be some type of hybrid model? (tags: biz analyses) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Web Analysis: In-house or Out-sourced or Something Else? » Occam’s Razor by Avinash Kaushik whether web analytics is great being in-house or should it be out-sourced ? or it could be some type of hybrid model? (tags: biz analyses) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Danuloff</title>
		<link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/11/web-analysis-inhouse-or-outsourced-or-something-else.html#comment-14612</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Danuloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo. Another tour de'force. From our perspective as analytics consultants the one additional data point I would love to see you add is expected timeframes to progress through these phases. I have a feeling your estimates may surprise many but be very helpful to those embarking on this process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo. Another tour de&#8217;force. From our perspective as analytics consultants the one additional data point I would love to see you add is expected timeframes to progress through these phases. I have a feeling your estimates may surprise many but be very helpful to those embarking on this process.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Analytics Facts &#187; Web Analytics advies - intern of extern?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Analytics Facts &#187; Web Analytics advies - intern of extern?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Zoals we nu wel weten zijn ze in de USA wat verder op het gebied van WA consulting. In de Amerikaanse markt doet grofweg 50% van de bedrijven het intern en de andere 50% outsourced (of een hybride model). Avinash (Blog tip!) heeft een interessante post op zijn blog geplaatst over de situatie aan de overkant van de oceaan. Hij is van mening dat het doel van elk bedrijf moet zijn om Web Analytics intern te doen, door een persoon (of team) dat &#8216;empowered&#8217; is om het totale analyse traject te overzien en zich af te vragen waarom wat (KPI&#8217;s) gemeten moet worden. En daardoor kan optimaliseren op basis van deze output (- is mijn aanvulling). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Zoals we nu wel weten zijn ze in de USA wat verder op het gebied van WA consulting. In de Amerikaanse markt doet grofweg 50% van de bedrijven het intern en de andere 50% outsourced (of een hybride model). Avinash (Blog tip!) heeft een interessante post op zijn blog geplaatst over de situatie aan de overkant van de oceaan. Hij is van mening dat het doel van elk bedrijf moet zijn om Web Analytics intern te doen, door een persoon (of team) dat &#8216;empowered&#8217; is om het totale analyse traject te overzien en zich af te vragen waarom wat (KPI&#8217;s) gemeten moet worden. En daardoor kan optimaliseren op basis van deze output (- is mijn aanvulling). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Tod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Tod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avinash,

Unbelievable! What an insightful post, it has taken me years to understand what is happening, and yet I have never managed to write it down so clearly. Thank you also for the reference to Logan Tod &#38; Co. 

I think there is only one issue that you miss here – the difficulty in actually getting an organisation to change based upon the data. 

Frequently we come across the situation where we can show a client a Performance Gap (the cost of poor website design / function) that runs to several million dollars. That it turns out is the easy part! 

Where consultants really earn their keep is helping clients to take Action. Initially it can be a fight just to get relevant content on a page rather than the company’s latest irrelevant offers. The battle to change intensifies when you start to look at how marketing $ are allocated, and the results they claim. Then comes reorganisation based upon business objectives rather than vertical silos; so affiliate marketing and search marketing get combined into a single “new customer acquisition” team for example.

So not only should consultants provide you with Insight, they must help you take Action. After all Action is what actually delivers better business results, not Insight.

Many thanks for sharing your insight.
Matthew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avinash,</p>
<p>Unbelievable! What an insightful post, it has taken me years to understand what is happening, and yet I have never managed to write it down so clearly. Thank you also for the reference to Logan Tod &amp; Co. </p>
<p>I think there is only one issue that you miss here – the difficulty in actually getting an organisation to change based upon the data. </p>
<p>Frequently we come across the situation where we can show a client a Performance Gap (the cost of poor website design / function) that runs to several million dollars. That it turns out is the easy part! </p>
<p>Where consultants really earn their keep is helping clients to take Action. Initially it can be a fight just to get relevant content on a page rather than the company’s latest irrelevant offers. The battle to change intensifies when you start to look at how marketing $ are allocated, and the results they claim. Then comes reorganisation based upon business objectives rather than vertical silos; so affiliate marketing and search marketing get combined into a single “new customer acquisition” team for example.</p>
<p>So not only should consultants provide you with Insight, they must help you take Action. After all Action is what actually delivers better business results, not Insight.</p>
<p>Many thanks for sharing your insight.<br />
Matthew</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 02:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post!

Outstanding consultants are role models for the organization.

As Matt pointed out, they embody the knowledge of the tool and have marketing tendencies, but they also create communication bridges from engineering to Hippos.

The consultant helps the organization get smarter about itself, its tools, and the customers while helping you get smarter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post!</p>
<p>Outstanding consultants are role models for the organization.</p>
<p>As Matt pointed out, they embody the knowledge of the tool and have marketing tendencies, but they also create communication bridges from engineering to Hippos.</p>
<p>The consultant helps the organization get smarter about itself, its tools, and the customers while helping you get smarter.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Roche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Roche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to take a short rest after reading this to allow my brain to take it all it!

I used to run an IT consulting firm called Fort Point Partners.  We had a fabulous track record for delivery, yet regardless of the outcome, each client just wanted us gone at the end - They call it "fee fatigue" but I think choicer words were probably uttered under our client's breath.  

When you are in such a terrible mismatch between available talent and demand, there is really not much you control, but Avinash offers a nice way of looking at the process.  So even if the time scale may be longer, it is still a worthy objective.

There are two factors I would focus on if you get a consultant:

1. Do they know the actual tool (basically, why reinvent the wheel if someone else can help you with tagging and custom reports)

2. Are they marketers (or at least marketer-aware!).  Too many analysts are so data oriented that they overcomplicate.  The really good ones (I would add Josh and Bill at Stratigent and Robbin at LunaMetrics) truly strive to simplify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to take a short rest after reading this to allow my brain to take it all it!</p>
<p>I used to run an IT consulting firm called Fort Point Partners.  We had a fabulous track record for delivery, yet regardless of the outcome, each client just wanted us gone at the end - They call it &#8220;fee fatigue&#8221; but I think choicer words were probably uttered under our client&#8217;s breath.  </p>
<p>When you are in such a terrible mismatch between available talent and demand, there is really not much you control, but Avinash offers a nice way of looking at the process.  So even if the time scale may be longer, it is still a worthy objective.</p>
<p>There are two factors I would focus on if you get a consultant:</p>
<p>1. Do they know the actual tool (basically, why reinvent the wheel if someone else can help you with tagging and custom reports)</p>
<p>2. Are they marketers (or at least marketer-aware!).  Too many analysts are so data oriented that they overcomplicate.  The really good ones (I would add Josh and Bill at Stratigent and Robbin at LunaMetrics) truly strive to simplify.</p>
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		<title>By: Avinash Kaushik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avinash Kaushik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacques: Translation with link is quite ok. :)

June: Actually both the start and end are not perfect, neither is zero (start for client and end for company). While I say that in the write-up late in the night I could not find the right shapes in powerpoint to create the perfect visual I wanted. So it was this ok-but-not-great version that got in.

I like that half-pregnant metaphor!!

I really appreciate the feedback, thank you.

-Avinash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacques: Translation with link is quite ok. :)</p>
<p>June: Actually both the start and end are not perfect, neither is zero (start for client and end for company). While I say that in the write-up late in the night I could not find the right shapes in powerpoint to create the perfect visual I wanted. So it was this ok-but-not-great version that got in.</p>
<p>I like that half-pregnant metaphor!!</p>
<p>I really appreciate the feedback, thank you.</p>
<p>-Avinash.</p>
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		<title>By: June Li</title>
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		<dc:creator>June Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 05:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avinash,

Excellent question from Ravi P and a very useful and usable response from you (as usual!).  I agree with Jacques and others...you should write a book - compile your frameworks into "Recipes for Successful Web Analytics".
 
I hope that Ravi takes away that (1) the accountability and direction of Web analytics has to remain in-house, and (2) as &lt;a href="http://www.targeting.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Jim Sterne&lt;/a&gt; said at Emetrics "It's messy"...there isn't a universal right answer because it depends on the situation.  
 
However, clients should not despair. Although there isn't always a universal "right" answer, there is always a "best fit" to the situation.  Their consultant should be willing to explore this optimization with them.
  
May I suggest a change to the excellent visual showing the 4 stages maturity and work/effort?  At the beginning of Stage 1, the client does have to spend effort, so the line shouldn't start at 0/0.  Defining business goals, providing context for the consultant, bringing technology folks on board, prioritizing quick wins and setting expectations can be remarkably heavy lifting and critical to future growth.
 
...Sort of like getting ready to give birth.  Being half-pregnant doesn't really work, does it?  :)

~June</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avinash,</p>
<p>Excellent question from Ravi P and a very useful and usable response from you (as usual!).  I agree with Jacques and others&#8230;you should write a book - compile your frameworks into &#8220;Recipes for Successful Web Analytics&#8221;.</p>
<p>I hope that Ravi takes away that (1) the accountability and direction of Web analytics has to remain in-house, and (2) as <a href="http://www.targeting.com" rel="nofollow">Jim Sterne</a> said at Emetrics &#8220;It&#8217;s messy&#8221;&#8230;there isn&#8217;t a universal right answer because it depends on the situation.  </p>
<p>However, clients should not despair. Although there isn&#8217;t always a universal &#8220;right&#8221; answer, there is always a &#8220;best fit&#8221; to the situation.  Their consultant should be willing to explore this optimization with them.</p>
<p>May I suggest a change to the excellent visual showing the 4 stages maturity and work/effort?  At the beginning of Stage 1, the client does have to spend effort, so the line shouldn&#8217;t start at 0/0.  Defining business goals, providing context for the consultant, bringing technology folks on board, prioritizing quick wins and setting expectations can be remarkably heavy lifting and critical to future growth.</p>
<p>&#8230;Sort of like getting ready to give birth.  Being half-pregnant doesn&#8217;t really work, does it?  :)</p>
<p>~June</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avinash,

I am, really, impressed. GREAT post! You have summarized it beautifully. I have been repeating bits of it to clients for some time, but please allow me to translate it into the languages I know, so that they will finally believe me!

I have been reading your blog for some time, and surely I am not the first one to tell you, but you sure have enough material now to write a great book about WA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avinash,</p>
<p>I am, really, impressed. GREAT post! You have summarized it beautifully. I have been repeating bits of it to clients for some time, but please allow me to translate it into the languages I know, so that they will finally believe me!</p>
<p>I have been reading your blog for some time, and surely I am not the first one to tell you, but you sure have enough material now to write a great book about WA!</p>
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