<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Is Real-Time Really Relevant?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html</link> <description>Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate.</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:05:55 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Tom Erik Støwer</title><link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html/comment-page-1#comment-490278</link> <dc:creator>Tom Erik Støwer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:16:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html#comment-490278</guid> <description>I was lead to this post from Web Analytics 2.0. So who says books aren&#039;t interactive?Apart from the obvious advantages of providing real-time data to other technologies, there&#039;s one &quot;group&quot; of users which have not been mentioned.And that&#039;s web sites that are focused on dissemination of news, such as newspaper front pages (online) and portals.Disclosure: I work with a product that provides exactly that, real-time click data to editors.Workflow involves pushing out a large number of stories in an optimal way and responding to real-time data to decide the optimal positioning and life-time of each story.Of course, some of the requirements outlined by Avinash still hold, like you need a certain amount of traffic for the data to be useful, and that data must be available in a readable form to the person actually executing the changes needed.I am considering writing a blog post on real-time usage in this segment, if there&#039;s any interest in it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was lead to this post from Web Analytics 2.0. So who says books aren&#039;t interactive?</p><p>Apart from the obvious advantages of providing real-time data to other technologies, there&#039;s one &#034;group&#034; of users which have not been mentioned.</p><p>And that&#039;s web sites that are focused on dissemination of news, such as newspaper front pages (online) and portals.</p><p>Disclosure: I work with a product that provides exactly that, real-time click data to editors.</p><p>Workflow involves pushing out a large number of stories in an optimal way and responding to real-time data to decide the optimal positioning and life-time of each story.</p><p>Of course, some of the requirements outlined by Avinash still hold, like you need a certain amount of traffic for the data to be useful, and that data must be available in a readable form to the person actually executing the changes needed.</p><p>I am considering writing a blog post on real-time usage in this segment, if there&#039;s any interest in it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Google Analytics vs. Omniture Site Catalyst &#124; Actionable Analytics</title><link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html/comment-page-1#comment-486830</link> <dc:creator>Google Analytics vs. Omniture Site Catalyst &#124; Actionable Analytics</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 07:58:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html#comment-486830</guid> <description>[...] Real-time data – this basically means your stats update more-or-less straight away rather than after about 24 hours or at mid-night. Personally I find it hard to think of companies that could truly benefit from this, but if you think you might then you need to work out exactly what financial benefit it gives you over and above waiting half a day. Also check out Avinash Kaushik’s blog on real-time data. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Real-time data – this basically means your stats update more-or-less straight away rather than after about 24 hours or at mid-night. Personally I find it hard to think of companies that could truly benefit from this, but if you think you might then you need to work out exactly what financial benefit it gives you over and above waiting half a day. Also check out Avinash Kaushik’s blog on real-time data. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Avinash Kaushik</title><link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html/comment-page-1#comment-486685</link> <dc:creator>Avinash Kaushik</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:49:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html#comment-486685</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;font color=blue&gt;Venkat: &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; At the end of my post I do mention briefly (it was more flushed out in the book :)) that if you can eliminate humans from the decision making process than real time data can be useful. As in doing behavior targeting or like Google does (and I am sure Yahoo and MSFT do) when it uses your past behavior or your current searches to optimize your results.With regards to twitter and real time search (i.e not a consumer looking for real time stuff but rather you as a company using real time search data to do something) I think you are falling in the trap again. What would you do if you have that data? Is it just that you want to know what is happening or you have the capacity to do something (either using automated systems or manual systems that can react very fast on your interpretation of the data)?In every case actionability makes the decision for me. In 99% of the cases there is a yearning for real time data but absolutely no capacity to react to it. Then I would much rather the finite resources be used to do strategic non-real time analysis.&lt;strong&gt;&lt;font color=blue&gt;Tony: &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; You are right, and it is because they are used to getting a streaming ticker of information to make decisions, often in real time (think currency arbitrage).Web analytics is ten million miles away from that kind of a need or that kind of an action.Knowing is not enough. The priority should be on knowing what you can to action in a timely manner.-Avinash.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><font color=blue>Venkat: </font></strong> At the end of my post I do mention briefly (it was more flushed out in the book :)) that if you can eliminate humans from the decision making process than real time data can be useful. As in doing behavior targeting or like Google does (and I am sure Yahoo and MSFT do) when it uses your past behavior or your current searches to optimize your results.</p><p>With regards to twitter and real time search (i.e not a consumer looking for real time stuff but rather you as a company using real time search data to do something) I think you are falling in the trap again. What would you do if you have that data? Is it just that you want to know what is happening or you have the capacity to do something (either using automated systems or manual systems that can react very fast on your interpretation of the data)?</p><p>In every case actionability makes the decision for me. In 99% of the cases there is a yearning for real time data but absolutely no capacity to react to it. Then I would much rather the finite resources be used to do strategic non-real time analysis.</p><p><strong><font color=blue>Tony: </font></strong> You are right, and it is because they are used to getting a streaming ticker of information to make decisions, often in real time (think currency arbitrage).</p><p>Web analytics is ten million miles away from that kind of a need or that kind of an action.</p><p>Knowing is not enough. The priority should be on knowing what you can to action in a timely manner.</p><p>-Avinash.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tony Singh</title><link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html/comment-page-1#comment-486677</link> <dc:creator>Tony Singh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:38:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html#comment-486677</guid> <description>I find when finance is in charge of analytics &#039;real time&#039; data always seems to be a requirement.  Reality is using that data may not give you enough of a sample size and it may mean you&#039;re not letting your page/design live long enough.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find when finance is in charge of analytics &#039;real time&#039; data always seems to be a requirement.  Reality is using that data may not give you enough of a sample size and it may mean you&#039;re not letting your page/design live long enough.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Martin Kelley</title><link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html/comment-page-1#comment-486676</link> <dc:creator>Martin Kelley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:17:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html#comment-486676</guid> <description>My work is more in advocacy and blogging with an occasional foray into e-commerce system. There&#039;s no real-time actionable decisions going to get made in real-time: I&#039;m often lucky if my clients will sit down with the reports I put together every few months (I&#039;ve been getting a lot of one-line &quot;looks great! thanks! Sent from an iPhone&quot; responses lately!)But it seems like this is not unlike the live-streaming switch we&#039;re seeing with Facebook and Twitter. I have found that the focus on immediacy has the tendency to draw my attention from the more important long-term work.Typical scenario: I&#039;ll make a video or will write something. It will go up to Youtube, a blog, out to Twitter, up to my Facebook personal account and Fan Page. Within a few days my followers have left comments and retweeted. I&#039;m in that warm glow of instantaneous feedback from people I know. But the audience I care about is actually not the people who follow me, but the people who I wish would follow me. They&#039;re not as likely to see the post immediately. They&#039;ll be coming in one at a time over the next few months or even years. My goal is to convert them into regular followers. You only see the mass of these stumblers in the aggregate when looking at data over time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My work is more in advocacy and blogging with an occasional foray into e-commerce system. There&#039;s no real-time actionable decisions going to get made in real-time: I&#039;m often lucky if my clients will sit down with the reports I put together every few months (I&#039;ve been getting a lot of one-line &#034;looks great! thanks! Sent from an iPhone&#034; responses lately!)</p><p>But it seems like this is not unlike the live-streaming switch we&#039;re seeing with Facebook and Twitter. I have found that the focus on immediacy has the tendency to draw my attention from the more important long-term work.</p><p>Typical scenario: I&#039;ll make a video or will write something. It will go up to Youtube, a blog, out to Twitter, up to my Facebook personal account and Fan Page. Within a few days my followers have left comments and retweeted. I&#039;m in that warm glow of instantaneous feedback from people I know. But the audience I care about is actually not the people who follow me, but the people who I wish would follow me. They&#039;re not as likely to see the post immediately. They&#039;ll be coming in one at a time over the next few months or even years. My goal is to convert them into regular followers. You only see the mass of these stumblers in the aggregate when looking at data over time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dan Piche</title><link>http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html/comment-page-1#comment-486675</link> <dc:creator>Dan Piche</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:10:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kaushik.net/avinash/2006/10/is-real-time-really-relevant.html#comment-486675</guid> <description>Real time data from an analysis point of view is hardly relevant except for several situations which other commenter’s here have pointed out. However, real time data is critical if you have the capacity to act on in real time and the ability to offer a unique experience to the user that enables him/her to more quickly and easily do what they came to the site to do (and what you want them to do).In short... - real time for analysis, not relevant. - real time for personalization and optimization, relevant.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real time data from an analysis point of view is hardly relevant except for several situations which other commenter’s here have pointed out. However, real time data is critical if you have the capacity to act on in real time and the ability to offer a unique experience to the user that enables him/her to more quickly and easily do what they came to the site to do (and what you want them to do).</p><p>In short&#8230;<br /> - real time for analysis, not relevant.<br /> - real time for personalization and optimization, relevant.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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