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		<title>By: Ivy Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivy Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, I totally agree.  The normal process is just too long, and there are too many stake holders in the corporate world for a list of requirements to be achieveable without too much conflict. 

In my opinion, most people (I.T. and business inclusive) don't really understand what they want from the analytic tools.  Perhaps obligations and competitive pressure from the market is nudging everyone towards it? 

I have, in the last month, pulled all the statistics I can together (from our weblogs through our very ancient webtrends v3), signed up for a google analytics account.  All this hopefully will give our business decision makers a better idea of what they can expect, and whether this would be sufficient.  

The next step would then be to determine what is lacking and then qualifying the possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, I totally agree.  The normal process is just too long, and there are too many stake holders in the corporate world for a list of requirements to be achieveable without too much conflict. </p>
<p>In my opinion, most people (I.T. and business inclusive) don&#8217;t really understand what they want from the analytic tools.  Perhaps obligations and competitive pressure from the market is nudging everyone towards it? </p>
<p>I have, in the last month, pulled all the statistics I can together (from our weblogs through our very ancient webtrends v3), signed up for a google analytics account.  All this hopefully will give our business decision makers a better idea of what they can expect, and whether this would be sufficient.  </p>
<p>The next step would then be to determine what is lacking and then qualifying the possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, very interesting discussion.

Generally, the web analytic area is a little confusing for me.

But, your post is helping me very much in my metrics/web analytic journey.

just my 2 cents ;-)

David (from germany)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, very interesting discussion.</p>
<p>Generally, the web analytic area is a little confusing for me.</p>
<p>But, your post is helping me very much in my metrics/web analytic journey.</p>
<p>just my 2 cents ;-)</p>
<p>David (from germany)</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Burton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. The web analytics market space is currently quite a confusing arena, especially for those not from a technical or analytical background.

For many web analytic tools are seen as a panacea to solve business issues by providing 'hard data'. Although this can be the case, it is far more important to have the people in place to make best use of the tools functionality.

We often find that clients already have several tools in place, and that they cheery pick functionality between the various tools. This obviously leads to confusion as each system will likely have its own rules and will therefore produce different results for seemly identical metrics - Conversion Rate is a classic!

The approach mentioned here is a great example of an iterative implementation 'journey'. Web Analytics is at its best when used over short date ranges, decisions are made and actions implemented, and then verified in the following period. Additionally, A/B and multivariate testing allows for a more rapid turn around, and can ultimately lead to self-learning / optimising web sites.

All web analytic tools have their 'killer' features as well as their idiosyncrasies! The key is learning these, and then planning accordingly. In my opinion there are still many circumstances where tool selection is based on who is seen as the largest vendor, rather than the tool providing the best fit for now and the future.

An honest view on what is actually needed, rather than a potential tools feature set is vital. We’ve talked with many clients that only need basic metrics, and have no real interest in further analysis, in which case there are many free or low cost solutions out there. However, web analytics is rapidly becoming an integral part of many business decisions, and as such it is vital that the tools can be tailored to that business’ needs, as well as providing auditable data for comparative purposes.

Overall, with flexibility often comes complexity. As such it is important to think carefully of what is really needed. We have encouraged several potential clients to use free tools initially, allowing them to ‘test the waters’. In many cases, we’ve found that they come back 6 months or a year later, having reached the ceiling or the tools capability. The difference now, if that their company culture has changed from seeing web analytics as an additional MI burden, to an essential data source which must be mined on a continual basis. As a consequence they therefore have a much firmer idea of what they need allowing for a much more efficient evaluation of paid tools.

Finally, there have been numerous posts regarding the hidden costs of ‘free’ tools, as so I won't repeat the arguments here. Ultimately, it comes back to planning and communication, and of course ROI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. The web analytics market space is currently quite a confusing arena, especially for those not from a technical or analytical background.</p>
<p>For many web analytic tools are seen as a panacea to solve business issues by providing &#8216;hard data&#8217;. Although this can be the case, it is far more important to have the people in place to make best use of the tools functionality.</p>
<p>We often find that clients already have several tools in place, and that they cheery pick functionality between the various tools. This obviously leads to confusion as each system will likely have its own rules and will therefore produce different results for seemly identical metrics - Conversion Rate is a classic!</p>
<p>The approach mentioned here is a great example of an iterative implementation &#8216;journey&#8217;. Web Analytics is at its best when used over short date ranges, decisions are made and actions implemented, and then verified in the following period. Additionally, A/B and multivariate testing allows for a more rapid turn around, and can ultimately lead to self-learning / optimising web sites.</p>
<p>All web analytic tools have their &#8216;killer&#8217; features as well as their idiosyncrasies! The key is learning these, and then planning accordingly. In my opinion there are still many circumstances where tool selection is based on who is seen as the largest vendor, rather than the tool providing the best fit for now and the future.</p>
<p>An honest view on what is actually needed, rather than a potential tools feature set is vital. We’ve talked with many clients that only need basic metrics, and have no real interest in further analysis, in which case there are many free or low cost solutions out there. However, web analytics is rapidly becoming an integral part of many business decisions, and as such it is vital that the tools can be tailored to that business’ needs, as well as providing auditable data for comparative purposes.</p>
<p>Overall, with flexibility often comes complexity. As such it is important to think carefully of what is really needed. We have encouraged several potential clients to use free tools initially, allowing them to ‘test the waters’. In many cases, we’ve found that they come back 6 months or a year later, having reached the ceiling or the tools capability. The difference now, if that their company culture has changed from seeing web analytics as an additional MI burden, to an essential data source which must be mined on a continual basis. As a consequence they therefore have a much firmer idea of what they need allowing for a much more efficient evaluation of paid tools.</p>
<p>Finally, there have been numerous posts regarding the hidden costs of ‘free’ tools, as so I won&#8217;t repeat the arguments here. Ultimately, it comes back to planning and communication, and of course ROI.</p>
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		<title>By: My blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Choosing a web analytics tools</title>
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		<dc:creator>My blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Choosing a web analytics tools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 17:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Aseem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aseem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting discussion.   
my 2 cents: 
* I like the use of free tools idea (now that there some good ones are available).  This helps develop some skills and understanding =&#62; define what u want =&#62; get buy in =&#62; come to terms with analytics terms and how they apply to your business (visitor, session/visit, etc).  More often than not, each package will leave something to be desired - one will need to make a trade off.

*  A word of caution with the 'Free' tools:
   1. there is a tendency to get to 'it's free why spend any money' 
   2. they are free because they help the provider in some way

just some thoughts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting discussion.<br />
my 2 cents:<br />
* I like the use of free tools idea (now that there some good ones are available).  This helps develop some skills and understanding =&gt; define what u want =&gt; get buy in =&gt; come to terms with analytics terms and how they apply to your business (visitor, session/visit, etc).  More often than not, each package will leave something to be desired - one will need to make a trade off.</p>
<p>*  A word of caution with the &#8216;Free&#8217; tools:<br />
   1. there is a tendency to get to &#8216;it&#8217;s free why spend any money&#8217;<br />
   2. they are free because they help the provider in some way</p>
<p>just some thoughts</p>
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		<title>By: Analytical Engine &#187; Web Analytics Solutions: Compare and Select</title>
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		<dc:creator>Analytical Engine &#187; Web Analytics Solutions: Compare and Select</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Avinash in his insightful post recommends a radical process of choosing a web analytics solution for companies. Instead of following a major requirement gathering exercise followed by an RFP, he recommends implementing a free tool, deepening the analytics skill set in the organization, fixing the internal data capture issues before starting the RFP process. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Avinash in his insightful post recommends a radical process of choosing a web analytics solution for companies. Instead of following a major requirement gathering exercise followed by an RFP, he recommends implementing a free tool, deepening the analytics skill set in the organization, fixing the internal data capture issues before starting the RFP process. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of sence here - but as a "player", I would say that when you think about differenciated solutions you might look at speed-trap. I have lost count of the number of times that our customers cry "unique", "blinding insight" etc. in response to our solution and we are the ONLY organisations (you can tell from the Patents) which can deliver all the theoretical benefits of a "fully tagged" Web Analytics Solution (and much more besides) WITHOUT tagging your site... and then add real Business Information/Analyical System power like SAS9 from the SAS Institute to integrate your multichannel data and publish the results to your business owners and see the difference!

Give it a go....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of sence here - but as a &#8220;player&#8221;, I would say that when you think about differenciated solutions you might look at speed-trap. I have lost count of the number of times that our customers cry &#8220;unique&#8221;, &#8220;blinding insight&#8221; etc. in response to our solution and we are the ONLY organisations (you can tell from the Patents) which can deliver all the theoretical benefits of a &#8220;fully tagged&#8221; Web Analytics Solution (and much more besides) WITHOUT tagging your site&#8230; and then add real Business Information/Analyical System power like SAS9 from the SAS Institute to integrate your multichannel data and publish the results to your business owners and see the difference!</p>
<p>Give it a go&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what happens when you want to merge your business data with your user data?  why go through all of this - if you have IT resources you might as well tag things on your own, go through your own pain and by the time you need to integrate and merge data to really gain insight to your business you wont have to drop you web analytics vendor and start over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what happens when you want to merge your business data with your user data?  why go through all of this - if you have IT resources you might as well tag things on your own, go through your own pain and by the time you need to integrate and merge data to really gain insight to your business you wont have to drop you web analytics vendor and start over.</p>
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		<title>By: Janani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avinash:

I recently stumbled across your blog and what a treat it is! I work as a Sr. Web Analyst for a prominent Canadian bank and I found myself nodding at everything that you said. I can't tell you how much we struggled with not 1 but 2 big analytics vendors precisely because of the ask- everyone- and -their -neioghbour's- cat- for -requirements approach that you rail:) against. It was a real sense of deja vu! Thanks for articulating what many people already know but won't talk about.

I've been forwarding your blog left and right to folks I work with and we even plan to use some of your quotes for a presentation we have coming up..with proper citations of course:)

Thanks and keep 'em coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avinash:</p>
<p>I recently stumbled across your blog and what a treat it is! I work as a Sr. Web Analyst for a prominent Canadian bank and I found myself nodding at everything that you said. I can&#8217;t tell you how much we struggled with not 1 but 2 big analytics vendors precisely because of the ask- everyone- and -their -neioghbour&#8217;s- cat- for -requirements approach that you rail:) against. It was a real sense of deja vu! Thanks for articulating what many people already know but won&#8217;t talk about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been forwarding your blog left and right to folks I work with and we even plan to use some of your quotes for a presentation we have coming up..with proper citations of course:)</p>
<p>Thanks and keep &#8216;em coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is another awesome post by Avinash.  Too many corps go with the heavy requirements load, then buy a big, expensive package that takes forever to set up and get working right.  Then, when it is not giving them the numbers they really want, they feel tied into it because they just spent a ton of money on it.  This alternate approach--free and light then step up as needed is a very good idea.  And it will save the customer money in the short term, which most will like.  Just have to be careful about the dev time needed to impliment a new solution.  Expectations will need to be managed around that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is another awesome post by Avinash.  Too many corps go with the heavy requirements load, then buy a big, expensive package that takes forever to set up and get working right.  Then, when it is not giving them the numbers they really want, they feel tied into it because they just spent a ton of money on it.  This alternate approach&#8211;free and light then step up as needed is a very good idea.  And it will save the customer money in the short term, which most will like.  Just have to be careful about the dev time needed to impliment a new solution.  Expectations will need to be managed around that.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s the Best Web Analytics Software? at Internet Marketing for Beginners</title>
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		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s the Best Web Analytics Software? at Internet Marketing for Beginners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For more advanced user who looking for better approach to web site traffic analysis, Avinash Kaushik have posted a aweasome arictle on this topic. You can check it out at here . [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bala Singam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bala Singam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avinash,
   Its really great post for advanced user. I like your idea, “look we can start for free, fix all the things that need fixing (people, processes, websites), then review, then go buy if it does not work and we’ll make a smart decision”.

 Thanks for invite me here. I linked your post frm my blog.

Regards

Bala Singam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avinash,<br />
   Its really great post for advanced user. I like your idea, “look we can start for free, fix all the things that need fixing (people, processes, websites), then review, then go buy if it does not work and we’ll make a smart decision”.</p>
<p> Thanks for invite me here. I linked your post frm my blog.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Bala Singam</p>
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		<title>By: fket.info</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Avinash Kaushik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avinash Kaushik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel: In some ways, IMHO, it is a chicken and egg situation (which one came first the chicken or the egg?).  I agree with you that it would be great to get good requirements up front. But.....

I have a limited experience in web analytics and in all the companies out there. But I have yet to find a company that can clearly articulate in a vacuum - when they don't have anything (or many many times even when they have something).

So let's say you don't have a analytics tools and I request you to give requirements. I can pretty much guarantee that you will ask for everything because you really don't know what you want. And even if you know what you want (by you I mean your business users) then right after they get the tool they will change their minds (this is ok and normal).

My "radical" suggestion hopes to avoid this problem completely. Don't define what you want (because you will surely not get it right), in 15 mins implement a tool, give it to users, get them to use it for a month, now go ask them what they want and there is a 90% chance that they will give you requirements that outline really what they want.

I hypothesize that it would take you a month to collect requirements, why not during that month give your users Google Analytics for free to use and increase the chance that they will define good requirements.

I stress that this might not apply to everyone and I offer this (and the post) as simply a alternative that folks can consider (something different from the usual).

I hope I have answered your question. Thank you for taking the time to read the post and share your feedback, I appreciate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel: In some ways, IMHO, it is a chicken and egg situation (which one came first the chicken or the egg?).  I agree with you that it would be great to get good requirements up front. But&#8230;..</p>
<p>I have a limited experience in web analytics and in all the companies out there. But I have yet to find a company that can clearly articulate in a vacuum - when they don&#8217;t have anything (or many many times even when they have something).</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s say you don&#8217;t have a analytics tools and I request you to give requirements. I can pretty much guarantee that you will ask for everything because you really don&#8217;t know what you want. And even if you know what you want (by you I mean your business users) then right after they get the tool they will change their minds (this is ok and normal).</p>
<p>My &#8220;radical&#8221; suggestion hopes to avoid this problem completely. Don&#8217;t define what you want (because you will surely not get it right), in 15 mins implement a tool, give it to users, get them to use it for a month, now go ask them what they want and there is a 90% chance that they will give you requirements that outline really what they want.</p>
<p>I hypothesize that it would take you a month to collect requirements, why not during that month give your users Google Analytics for free to use and increase the chance that they will define good requirements.</p>
<p>I stress that this might not apply to everyone and I offer this (and the post) as simply a alternative that folks can consider (something different from the usual).</p>
<p>I hope I have answered your question. Thank you for taking the time to read the post and share your feedback, I appreciate that.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your approach and the fresh ideas. But I miss the establishment of the company information need. In my experience this information need described in KPI's is the basis of succesful web analytics 

I agree with you that the nine steps by itself will not lead tot a sufficient solution. To have a successful tool the company must know what KPI's will give them actionable insights into there web channel. Only than can they put the information to use and get some return on their web analytics inverstment.

How will your radical approach lead to an overview of this particular information need? Perhaps you could add a step in which the information need is established?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your approach and the fresh ideas. But I miss the establishment of the company information need. In my experience this information need described in KPI&#8217;s is the basis of succesful web analytics </p>
<p>I agree with you that the nine steps by itself will not lead tot a sufficient solution. To have a successful tool the company must know what KPI&#8217;s will give them actionable insights into there web channel. Only than can they put the information to use and get some return on their web analytics inverstment.</p>
<p>How will your radical approach lead to an overview of this particular information need? Perhaps you could add a step in which the information need is established?</p>
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		<title>By: Gradiva Couzin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gradiva Couzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avinash,

"random blogger??"  Hardly.  Thank you for this great post!

Gradiva Couzin
http://www.yourseoplan.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avinash,</p>
<p>&#8220;random blogger??&#8221;  Hardly.  Thank you for this great post!</p>
<p>Gradiva Couzin<br />
<a href="http://www.yourseoplan.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.yourseoplan.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Humphrys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Humphrys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A provocative post, grounded in common sense. Well done.

Before doing anything, I recommend some hard thinking about how (and how much) value is created by the web site and how much more you can get by using analytics.  Until you know that, why spend any time or money on analytics?  This also helps determine what results are "good".  Since most web analyics "failures" are not technical problems but organizational, this goes a long way to set the stage for success.  

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A provocative post, grounded in common sense. Well done.</p>
<p>Before doing anything, I recommend some hard thinking about how (and how much) value is created by the web site and how much more you can get by using analytics.  Until you know that, why spend any time or money on analytics?  This also helps determine what results are &#8220;good&#8221;.  Since most web analyics &#8220;failures&#8221; are not technical problems but organizational, this goes a long way to set the stage for success.  </p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, a most insightful post.  I occasionally advise other companies on web analytics choices--I always tell them to start small and free and only when analytics is part of the culture, to upgrade to a more expensive tool.  Your post is one I will refer my clients to.  

I also say to my clients that  "Implementation is the only thing that matters."  I think your readership would benefit greatly if you could address the implementation issue, the importance of data architecture, and why marketers have to care about all this "technical" stuff like .js code and content categories, to get data that matters. :)  Too many CMOs, raised in a "brand" environment, don't understand why they need to own the code on a Web Analytics tool, and why it's worth fighting with IT for it, and why every new feature needs a meeting to discuss how it will be tracked in the tool. 

In my experience, too many senior managers don't realize that selection of the tool is only the first, and perhaps the least important step in the process.  

Melinda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, a most insightful post.  I occasionally advise other companies on web analytics choices&#8211;I always tell them to start small and free and only when analytics is part of the culture, to upgrade to a more expensive tool.  Your post is one I will refer my clients to.  </p>
<p>I also say to my clients that  &#8220;Implementation is the only thing that matters.&#8221;  I think your readership would benefit greatly if you could address the implementation issue, the importance of data architecture, and why marketers have to care about all this &#8220;technical&#8221; stuff like .js code and content categories, to get data that matters. :)  Too many CMOs, raised in a &#8220;brand&#8221; environment, don&#8217;t understand why they need to own the code on a Web Analytics tool, and why it&#8217;s worth fighting with IT for it, and why every new feature needs a meeting to discuss how it will be tracked in the tool. </p>
<p>In my experience, too many senior managers don&#8217;t realize that selection of the tool is only the first, and perhaps the least important step in the process.  </p>
<p>Melinda</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Waisberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Waisberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avinash,

This post was mystic! Seriously, have you learned to read other people's minds? If so, please let me know where, they did a wonderful job!

Great post, I have already sent the link to my manager. Keep on writing, I am always surprised with your posts' actionability. They just fit the definition of a KPI worth of reporting from Eric Peterson: "All good KPI drive action. This is the polite way of saying, 'any KPI that, when it changes suddenly and unexpectedly does not inspire someone to send an email, pick up the phone or take a quick walk to find help, is not a KPI worth reporting."

Your posts inspire. Thank you.

Daniel Waisberg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avinash,</p>
<p>This post was mystic! Seriously, have you learned to read other people&#8217;s minds? If so, please let me know where, they did a wonderful job!</p>
<p>Great post, I have already sent the link to my manager. Keep on writing, I am always surprised with your posts&#8217; actionability. They just fit the definition of a KPI worth of reporting from Eric Peterson: &#8220;All good KPI drive action. This is the polite way of saying, &#8216;any KPI that, when it changes suddenly and unexpectedly does not inspire someone to send an email, pick up the phone or take a quick walk to find help, is not a KPI worth reporting.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your posts inspire. Thank you.</p>
<p>Daniel Waisberg</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avinash, nothing radical there at all. I agree with Ed re IBM. In those days people bought IBM because "you can't get fired for buying IBM" and same went for SAP etc. Thankfully others sought to think differently and today things are different. Here is a radical thought, though: Why not think about the results you want to achieve, at the atomic level, aligned with the business goals and work back from there? Having analytics as a "bag on the side" of an already existing (perhaps flawed) deployment, that only serves to tell you just that, is not a good investment of effort. How the wheel has turned in 25 years indeed !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avinash, nothing radical there at all. I agree with Ed re IBM. In those days people bought IBM because &#8220;you can&#8217;t get fired for buying IBM&#8221; and same went for SAP etc. Thankfully others sought to think differently and today things are different. Here is a radical thought, though: Why not think about the results you want to achieve, at the atomic level, aligned with the business goals and work back from there? Having analytics as a &#8220;bag on the side&#8221; of an already existing (perhaps flawed) deployment, that only serves to tell you just that, is not a good investment of effort. How the wheel has turned in 25 years indeed !</p>
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